After speaking at a German psychoanalytic conference meant to address the impact of the Holocaust upon Jews and Germans in the 21st century, the weekend began and ended with little or no meaningful dialogue. Unctuous confessionals, sanctimonious denial, finger pointing and hurt ensued instead. How similar this felt to exchanges I have experienced when esteemed and “well meaning” white psychoanalysts, including myself, try and fail to engage in conversation about racism with black professionals. It is precisely such " interactions," those between victims and perpetrators that this talk attempts to explore, particularly the ways in which the liminal space of the creative imagination can work to prevent, or to prepare space in which dialogue may begin.